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I loved this episode. Thanks Rachel and Jeffrey. I have known that what we need is a paradigm shift in our thinking in the developed world so we can actually feel our interdependence and interconnectedness. One of my favourite sayings comes from an Inuit group that should guide our thinking today" "We should do nothing today that we would have to apologise to our grandchildren for." As Jeffrey says, alternate world views to the dominant ones are already out there if we just look and listen.

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I stopped reading to make this comment that civilization can crash and no problem really. Solves a lot of problems actually. But the collapse of the ecosystem and it resets back to microscopic life.

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