Crisis Policies: What We Need From COP27 | Laurie Laybourn
Crisis Policies: What We Need From COP27 | Laurie Laybourn
Governments must pay up
“Right now, if governments got rid of their feelings about spending money, and made investments, and we mobilised societies in the way we need, we would be able to arrest that environmental crisis. But there will be a moment when our agency is overtaken by that extra momentum and it will come from tipping points, non-linear changes in the environment.It will create self-fulfilling processes of change.
“We are not there yet, and that's the primary reason why we need an emergency response globally – it's to protect and then deepen our agency over the environmental crisis before an unstoppable momentum of environmental change begins.”
Laurie Laybourn is a policy researcher and author. He leads Cohort 2040, which explores how to deepen rapid action toward a more sustainable and equitable world even as the effects of the environmental crisis get far worse. Laurie is a visiting fellow at Chatham House and at the Global Systems Institute, University of Exeter, as well as an associate fellow at the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR). He is a regular commentator on TV and radio and co-author of Planet on Fire (Verso 2021).
We discuss the opportunity in crisis moments throughout history, with Laurie revealing the best policies for navigating the climate crisis, nationally and internationally, as well as those for a sustainable future. He also explains how the our current fiscal ideologies, including our relationship to debt, impedes necessary climate action around the world whilst hobbling the global south’s capacity to respond to increasing catastrophes. Laurie says the climate crisis is a fiscal problem—could reimagining fiscal policies keep 1.5 alive?
Crisis Policies: What We Need From COP27 | Laurie Laybourn
I was interested in the line of thought that when there are multiple crises faced by governments or societies, that is when new ideas and radical policies which otherwise wouldn't be palatable are implemented. It's the same or similar to the phenomenon that is described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine, in times of chaos and collapse it's the ideas that are lying around at the time that get implemented, for better or worse. Disaster Capitalism has use this feature in it's favour many times over the past decades.
I'm just finishing Jon Alexander's Citizens, and at the end he points to three possible futures, The Autocrat Totalitarian, The Techo-Feudal and the Citizen, any of which could become the reality.
I suppose what both of these viewpoints show is that there are many conflicting narratives out there, and the mission for those of us who would like to see an ecologically balanced and equitable future, is to take advantage of these liminal chaotic times to push for those ends.
Great interview as always. With people as articulate as Laurie Laybourn, Kate Raworth and many others on this podcast arguing the case for a sane world, it gives one hope.